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What group on Facebook do you think is the best to discuss juggling?
I honestly don’t think Facebook is the best platform for serious juggling discussions. For more open and serious discussion I would turn to other sites. That being said, the people on JugglingRock always seem to have interesting opinions…
I don’t have a good answer for this. But I had 2 thoughts regarding facebook which I hope are not too sidetracking from the original topic:
Should we open more specific facebook groups? I find that I never check out jHome or jRock because too much of it doesn’t interest me. What if we open a group for video sharing only? Or for improvement and advice only? Or for research and discoveries only?
I wouldn’t like these on facebook to be fair, but facebook happens to be the place where it’s easy to open a group. Or can we somehow encourage similar activities on OE?
I thought of opening a thread on OE where we can link to useful discussions such as ones which take place on facebook. Just as a listing of some sort. Facebook posts links can be found when clicking the date and time of the post, and shared like this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/JugglingRock/permalink/1604963772906505/ (Discussion initiated by Jay about theft of cone and triangle props and routines)
I generally do not like facebook for discussion, because it gets lost very fast, and is extremely hard to navigate a thread with even 40+ replies. Facebook has the advantage that it is the place were people go anyways. I also have a feeling that when something pops up on someones feed, psychologically it feels to the reader that it is directed towards them, whereas a post on a forum is more “something someone wrote to someone else”. I certainly agree with you that most of what is posted in the big groups on FB, I have little or no interest in. I think that OE is a great platform and I love how it is easy to post pics, edit, quote, and everything becomes really clear. But constantly being dragged to facebook for discussion makes me wonder.
Your idea of using an OE thread as a catalog of FB discussions is a pretty good one!
Another thing which frustrates me, is that often I want a message to be seen by as many jugglers as possible. Whether it is about EJC news, a eJuggle or Juggle Jabber post, a new video… I don’t really care if it’s the people from jRocks or jHome or OE or jEdge who see it, I just want it to be seen… so I tend to cross post a lot of stuff, and so do others…
On the Edge and OE I might also share something which is specific to that community, on facebook it is really hard to build a community like that. But the endless cross posting is hardly good for anyone, right?
Like you say in your second post Erik, no facebook group is good to discuss in.
Why do you get dragged into facebook discussions, Erik? It is because people tag you?
I would agree with that, but it seems to be the case that either you have a discussion on facebook or you do not. I like Daniel’s idea of perhaps using OE as a log or something. Perhaps a summary could be written for each long FB discussion. Or OE could be used as post discussion, analyzing what has been said, as an attempt to conclude. Obviously, the level of discussion and thinking in the juggling community is extremely low. I am trying to wrap my head around it, really. It is as if people are into discussion, but not very interested in the info that is at hand, such as literature or talking to people that know things, or even finding out who has knowledge in a certain area. When I got interested in juggling history I spent many years trying to travel and meet the few, knowledgeable people there was, and find every single piece of literature. I know that is perhaps a bit extreme, but in juggling there is a complete absence of information seeking, other than facebook threads. Out of all sub cultures or artistic fields I have been involved in, juggling is by very far the least knowledgable in its own field. It would be really great to change that, and I think discussion in a serious manner and trying to organize the information that exists, would be great improvers.
I either get tagged, or someone says something about something I have talked about, or is relevant to my research.
Not my experience. Few pixel artists show a big interest in pixel art history, books, or even any artist outside of their community. Few ukulele players know much about the professional ukulele scene, about the various ukulele communities online and offline, or even understand much of music theory. Just commenting from the two subcultures I know a bit, neither has a strong information seeking drive. And of all the circus disciplines, jugglers know most and best about what happens in the field and in history, except perhaps for clowns.
With juggling, at least a lot of jugglers go through a period of video watching addiction, which gives them some sort of a base of knowledge, encourages more video material and projects like the top40
i´m kinda between you guys and believe juggling is somewhere in the middle with very few people (usual professionals) who have extensive knowledge of most aspect of juggling or are masters of atleast one topic, some with good knowlegde on training and the contempory scene and a majority of hobbyist who´s knowledge is limited between top40 jugglers, gatto and basic siteswaps.
also there is a big difference weather a subculture/hobby/art is solely based around passivly gathering informations for example subcultures that revolve around consuming as much media of a certain kind (heavy metal, science fiction movies, fantasy books) or subcultures like sports where the main aspect is practising certain skills, or subcultures like juggling that can go in both directions, consuming a lot without activly juggling (karl heinz ziethen would be the extreme example) or mainly practising without getting deeply involved with the culture.
maybe one of the reasons jugglers often have so little overall knowledge of juggling is that they often search for very narrow informations (what trick can i learn next, which jugglers dare to be better than me, how to get better faster) adding tiny bits to the things they know allready because it´s easyer to add another ball than to start from zero and learn a whole new concept, history, didactics etc or even invent something completly new from the scratch.
i guess we all know facebook discussions rarely work, isn´t that part of why we are here ?
i am still a huge fan of r/juggling as a friendly community with occasional interesting discussions and a well readable format.
besides when it comes to facebook i believe most informational value, even if it´s more in terms of gathering information, videos, contacts, etc. are the small groups dedicated to either a certain prop or a certain topic which is why i kinda like Daniels idea of having smaller groups. On the other hand i´d rather had the energy invested into making OE more active because why bother improving a format we don´t think is ideal for the purpose to make it more accesable to people who may not be interested in talking about the stuff we intend to talk about here anyway ?
secondly: i am totally pro archiving jugglingrock/home , having recjuggling archived is a really valuable source of juggling history, and it would suck to loose the last 10 year of juggling conversation because it happened at the wrong place
I am glad to hear that is not the case for you. I guess I should have gotten into ukulele instead of skateboarding…